Posts by Captain Obvious

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Ideas to wake up the JW 'Feelers'

by Captain Obvious in

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a great point was made by neverknew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'thinker' to wake up, but a 'feeler' will just shrug and carry on.

the feeler jw is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy.

they will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.

Captain Obvious

Thanks for the replies.

I have read or listened to a few of Hassan's books. I never did finish the new one though.. I am willing to do anything to get her to wake up.

A big part is that she doesn't want to learn that it isn't The Truth. She's afraid of what it means for us. She knows I'm not stupid, she knows I wouldn't risk everything based on a hunch or a half cocked idea. I think that's what scares her. She still holds out the hope that one day I'll hear what I need to hear at a meeting and turn around. I am willing to do that, if that were to happen, but I'm confident it won't.

I've been playing the long game for a year and a half, with little progress. She still has the JW mindset that just BEING at the meetings will do good.

Both of our upbringings were good, all things considered. Neither of us have had any bad JW experiences except for my mum being DF'ed twice. She doesn't see the problem with just hanging around. Until last week she honestly thought I was going to continue going to the occasional meeting forever! That HURT to hear her say. She says I'm ridiculous when I say the meetings are torture.

She listens to what I say, most of it anyway. But NONE of it sinks in.

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Ideas to wake up the JW 'Feelers'

by Captain Obvious in

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friends

a great point was made by neverknew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'thinker' to wake up, but a 'feeler' will just shrug and carry on.

the feeler jw is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy.

they will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.

Captain Obvious

A great point was made by NeverKnew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'Thinker' to wake up, but a 'Feeler' will just shrug and carry on. The Feeler JW is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy. They will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.

I am a thinker, my wife is a feeler. When I first woke up I showed her some doctrinal inconsistencies and she just shrugged and said, "So"?

What I am thinking so far as ways to reach a feeler;

- Child abuse scandals and payouts

- Quote mining, rewritten history and lies by the WTS in their pubs

- The WT's ignorant attitude towards women.

I have tried all of these with my lovely wife. Her response to the first is, "how do you know all this? I don't believe that." Unfortunately I am unable to show her references other than the boooring court docs because she won't want to look at any "apostate" sites.

To the second, she just gets mad.. Like.. MAD at me for even suggesting that they would lie. She won't even consider it, let alone look at and read the references.

To the third, she doesn't see it. It's just the way things are. I treat her as my equal, but she isn't the women's lib type and puts me in the lead anyway.

She finally is willing to imagine a possibility where I get DF'ed and our lives are actually affected by my waking up. She will still talk with me about it, but doesn't like to express herself so it's difficult to get her to explain her feelings on matters. She also gets her back up when talking about the GB. She doesn't care about doctrinal issues, she doesn't care about scandals. I'm near my wits end, but will not give up.

What I'm looking for is input on my situation, and also a list or discussion about ways to reach a Dub like my wife. She's the 'never really studied, can't quote scriptures, misses half the meetings and goes out in service once a month... But has been to meetings since birth and so is brainwashed without any real solid basis for her faith'... Type. One would think she would be an easy case, but she seems willing to overlook all this BS just to stay in touch with friends and family and maybe even survive the big A.

Tough nut to crack. To top it off I'm an atheist, and all she knows of evolution and natural history is from the bOrg books.

What has worked for some of you? We can't all be Thinkers.

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Blood Ban Witch Hunt in Progress

by 5go in

i have had my own power of attorney drawn up and sent to my non jw family to void out my old card.

but now the society is pretty much forcing the issue on everyone with the emergency contact information (witchhunt) gathering drive every year and basically not taking a no for an answer fill it ot or get pulled in back.

well i am giving them the big fu this time i filling their card out but listng my non jw family on it as the contact and then filling yet another power of attornty to void out their stupid card again..

Captain Obvious

Same. Haven't updated our info since my wife and I got married. We have moved over 1000 miles away since.

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Where are all the new members?

by Captain Obvious in

with the changes in doctrine being fully unveiled at the dc this year, i expected many to wake up.

the dcs have been going on for a month now, i fully expected to be welcoming new members by now!

am i just being impatient?

Captain Obvious

Well westiebilly, hopefully you can help those that you know to sort things out and see the truth. Personally it wasn't a certain changing doctrine that did it for me, it was events in my life combined with having the time and taking the chance to really look deeply into the Borg.

My OP was mostly asking if it is the DC program, or the WT study that will awaken more. I hope there are many reading this board right now lurking, thinking.

Come on, introduce yourselves! Your real life awaits.

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How many of you followed the WTS direction on education years ago and have been screwed by it?

by Julia Orwell in

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i'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.

as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?

surely education should come first.

Captain Obvious

The sad part is that those JWs who complain will be told it was THEIR CHOICE not to pursue an education. THEIR PERSONAL CHOICES should not be blamed on the bOrg. They will blame themselves, too like good little cult members.

When each of my children are born, an education fund will be started in each of their names. My goal is to offer my next generation the chance to get educated, be free from religion, and hopefully leave them something of value to inherit.

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How many of you followed the WTS direction on education years ago and have been screwed by it?

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

i'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.

as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?

surely education should come first.

Captain Obvious

My grand question is: "What business is it of a "congregation" or of the WTBTS. They should mind their own business, and any elder or witness that shuns or mistreats someone that is attending college should be ashamed of themselves. What a hateful group of people.

This^

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

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if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

Captain Obvious

Arboles; You aren't really making that argument, are you? How about a look at history? Did you forget the inquisition? The reformation? Holy wars? The RCC alone is guilty of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of murders.

You can't seriously be so ignorant. Christianity is responsible for holding humanity back for close to 100 years. Think where we would be without Christianity's cancerous attitudes. Go read a book.

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Where are all the new members?

by Captain Obvious in

with the changes in doctrine being fully unveiled at the dc this year, i expected many to wake up.

the dcs have been going on for a month now, i fully expected to be welcoming new members by now!

am i just being impatient?

Captain Obvious

With the changes in doctrine being fully unveiled at the DC this year, I expected many to wake up. The DCs have been going on for a month now, I fully expected to be welcoming new members by now! Am I just being impatient? Or should we hold out for the 7/15 WT to be studied?

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How Do you Solve A Problem Like Maria (or more importantly 1914)

by wizzstick in

so how will they solve it?.

having researched the whole 607bce thing, it's clear that it's utter nonsense.

for example, the house of egibi transaction records closes the door on any questions about the reign of kings of this time.

Captain Obvious

NeverKnew, great points.

First, you're right that discovering the 607 lie will only awaken the thinkers, not so much the feelers. This would be a great subject for another thread! Of the members of this board, thinkers vs. feelers , what woke them up. The 607 issue, combined with the fact that I had known NOTHING of the controversy over the matter, was what woke me up the hardest. After reading about it and letting it soak in, I grabbed my blood card out of my wallet, destroyed it and vowed never to go in FS again. When I showed all of the same information to my wife, she just shrugged and said, "So?"

Unfortunately mos Dubs don't even understand how pivotal 607 is to their theology. They just snooze through the studies and answer the underlined bits into the microphone. Mind control at its best!

A change this large in their theology would wake many people up, if they do understand. The society's supposed 'expectation' of the events of 1914 is the main reason they have any faith in these men at all. I know it was for me. Take that away, and the whole illusion crumbles. Some will shrug, pick up their service bags and continue. MANY will wake up. I don't believe they could survive a change that big at this point or anytime soon.

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How many of you followed the WTS direction on education years ago and have been screwed by it?

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

i'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.

as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?

surely education should come first.

Captain Obvious

I guess it helps that I never dreamed too big. A year after high school I took a 7 month trades pre-apprenticeship course, and went into an apprenticeship in a trade that I really enjoy. A few years later, I'm in a position where I am doing exactly what I would like to be doing, for a great company who pays my a GREAT living. At this point I feel fulfilled. I could work for myself, or work for many companies earning good money. This, of course is a product of Canada's trades-driven industry. I wouldn't get paid nearly as much in another country.

Looking back, I would have made a better engineer than what I am doing. I like what I do, but it comes easily which means I will get bored eventually. Had I gone to uni at the time I did my apprenticeship, my 19 year old born-in Dub brain wouldn't have had the clarity of thought or personal motivation to do well. If I have the opportunity to go, I will consider it.

I wasn't screwed by the WT's stance on education. My parents impressed on me the importance of a certification of some kind, and I never planned on being a pioneer or anything. Contrast that with my sister. She and her husband are pioneers. They run a nice little window washing business. University was not an option for her husband because he is a pioneer high school dropout. His honest reasoning was 'why finish? I can work laying floors or whatever and pioneer until the end comes'. Seriously.

Those who REALLY follow the WTs advice and believe what they say, will ALWAYS be screwed. Even those who would be no good with a good education, could still benefit from a business course or trades certification or something. Armageddon ain't coming folks, time to prepare for the rest of your lives.